tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post2300063452183159546..comments2023-09-18T04:45:52.991-07:00Comments on Ask the Scientologist: Ask a QuestionJust Billhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comBlogger188125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-43452795496745114412011-01-15T07:48:07.873-08:002011-01-15T07:48:07.873-08:00Rants are OK. No question actually required.Rants are OK. No question actually required.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-51873135102378558302011-01-14T17:09:47.082-08:002011-01-14T17:09:47.082-08:00It's still amazing that with all the data avai...It's still amazing that with all the data available that even some of the folks that left still hang on to the "Hubbard was a great man" crap. Reading the data from http://www.ronthenut.org just pisses me off. Lrh was just looking for easy street and admiration. A scammer may be a piece of shit, but (IMO) it takes a psychotic to take it to the level of his fruition.<br /><br />I guess I have to ask a question now... hmm... <br /><br />Did Hubbard walk with a limp?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-38504936665719146762011-01-13T15:07:17.997-08:002011-01-13T15:07:17.997-08:00Re: "Smith Kline Glaxo"
I have no idea,...Re: "Smith Kline Glaxo"<br /><br />I have no idea, since there <i>is</i> no company called "Smith Kline Glaxo". Maybe that's some company Miscavige started just so he could announce that "fact".<br /><br />The company <a href="http://www.gsk.com/products/" rel="nofollow"><b>Glaxo Smithkline</b></a> appears to be doing just fine, no announcements of curtailing <i>any</i> of their product offerings. <i>In fact,</i> they specifically list, <i>as current products</i>, all their anti-depressants and similar "psych drugs".<br /><br />Surprise, surprise! Miscavige lies.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-27153135819753890362011-01-13T13:57:37.516-08:002011-01-13T13:57:37.516-08:00Dear Bill:
In the latest 25 th anniversary of Impa...Dear Bill:<br />In the latest 25 th anniversary of Impact DM boasts getting Smith Kline Glaxo out of the psycho drugs.<br />To me, as no proof is rendered, it is another Miscavige PR production: Hot air, foul smell, no data!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-39512026853726549862011-01-04T15:22:48.873-08:002011-01-04T15:22:48.873-08:00@The good old dog
Re: Clear
Most people who have...@The good old dog<br /><br />Re: Clear<br /><br />Most people who have "attested to Clear" report that they felt quite wonderful at that time, and <i>all</i> report that the feeling was temporary.<br /><br />None of them report any special abilities or powers.<br /><br />But your question is different. What <i>other</i> changes occur -- perhaps harmful ones?<br /><br />I'd have to say there are none. From my personal experiences, my observations and my discussions with other "Clears", I'd have to say there really are no permanent changes at all. A person "before Clear" and that same person "Clear" are <i>not</i> different. They don't act different and they don't feel different in any significant way.<br /><br />The changes I have perceived in myself and other Scientologists come primarily from the indoctrination and has to do with becoming a cult-personality, with self-censoring and shutting oneself off from the external world. <i>Those</i> changes are "permanent", as long as one stays in Scientology.<br /><br />Personally, I don't think auditing affects any significant changes to a person -- positive or negative.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-13344993468929277152011-01-03T20:05:26.264-08:002011-01-03T20:05:26.264-08:00Happy New Year's, Bill. 2011 promises to be th...Happy New Year's, Bill. 2011 promises to be the best yet. Regarding "think" being a trigger word my experience with almost all Scientologists is they look down on using the word "think" as "knowingness" is what they strive for and "thinking" is way down the Know to Mystery scale since LRH has told them so.<br />Best, the Old Geezer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-70970043010690281032011-01-02T23:20:13.936-08:002011-01-02T23:20:13.936-08:00"It isn't just all the money they give, a..."It isn't just all the money they give, although that is a large part of it, but they give up their friends, their careers, sometimes their family, all for *Scientology*. There is, for every Scientologist, a huge investment."<br /><br />Yes! Hoarders do this also. They will save things because of Sentiment (family) yet because of all their things, can't have family or friends over. They become virtual prisoners of their "stuff". <br /><br />They can't move, or change jobs (if they are even employed, because taking care of the stuff or negotiating a house to get ready for work becomes a nightmare at first, and then impossible). <br /><br />Hoarders, especially extreme hoarders (disorganized hoarder, saves everything, can't even get rid of a dead animal for example) are often completely shut down, emotionally. They lose their ability to empathize (see that its abusive to have kids or pets living in the situation).. They are able to tolerate so much discomfort( horrible smells, I went in with a dog rescue once where we had to wear hazmat suits with respirators, and the person said it wasnt "bad", and she had cleaned "just last month")..<br /><br />When people talk about how SO can still stay in the COS working under such extreme conditions I can't help but think of how numbed out the human psyche can become, in order to tolerate discomfort. <br /><br />Sorry, last post on this stuff. I know this is about Scientology, but it finally hit me why it resonated so much with me, while reading these websites (Its like living with my family)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-68014123173795901782011-01-02T20:02:59.977-08:002011-01-02T20:02:59.977-08:00Re: Friend who is a Scientologist
I've been o...Re: Friend who is a Scientologist<br /><br />I've been on both sides of that. The reason your friend doesn't talk to you any more is all about cult-think. The cult is all important and everything is subsumed to that culture. You are not part of the cult, so you are <i>completely unimportant</i>. Anything that isn't part of the cult is either unimportant or evil.<br /><br />That's how all cult members think and that's how all Scientologists think.<br /><br />I sincerely doubt he is angry at you. It's just that you aren't important.<br /><br />As I understand it, your friend is in too deep for you to help him right now.<br /><br />What you <i>can</i> do is write to him and simply let him know that, if he ever needs help, you are there. He probably won't respond and probably won't ask for help, but he <i>will</i> remember. When he finally wakes up, hopefully he will contact you. Obviously, he can't go to his parents for help.<br /><br />When he contacts you for help, what he will most need is someone to listen and not judge.<br /><br />Between now and then, you'll just have to wait.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-5893991020470286932011-01-02T19:52:20.580-08:002011-01-02T19:52:20.580-08:00@wytherin
Thanks for your thoughts on hoarding. ...@wytherin<br /><br />Thanks for your thoughts on hoarding. I think there may be quite a bit of that in Scientology, especially in the Church of Scientology. People invest their lives in Scientology. It isn't just all the money they give, although that is a <i>large</i> part of it, but they give up their friends, their careers, sometimes their family, all for *Scientology*. There is, for every Scientologist, a <i>huge</i> investment.<br /><br />And I believe that almost every Scientologist comes to the realization that the did <i>not</i> get any of the promised powers and abilities. I am sure that every Scientologist <i>hates</i> the greed and unrelenting pressure from the church.<br /><br />But, like a hoarder, "after all that time and money, after giving up so much, how can I just quit?"<br /><br />And they stick with it, way past any real hope of getting anything back for that "investment".<br /><br />Even outside of the church, there is still a ton of "investment" involved, if not so much money.<br /><br />I know of some Scientologists who keep repeating the party line just because they can't admit they were wrong and <i>others were right</i>.<br /><br />I think your observation is excellent.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-3645564895733306032011-01-02T18:49:18.617-08:002011-01-02T18:49:18.617-08:00Hi, you answered on of my questions a few days ago...Hi, you answered on of my questions a few days ago, on the 27th about my friend who's a scientologist. He did join sea org, but he left it, I think for the most part. 2 years ago once he turned 16 started working ata scientologist church here in boston because his mom is high up in the church. Then just like that he told me he was going down to Clearwater, FL to join Sea Org. Thn 2 days later he was gone. After about a week and a half he called me and told me that he was coming back because he felt so far away from home and he just wanted to leave, so he did. After about 3 weeks of being here, he was asked by his parents if he wanted to go to the Church in New York because it would be a lot closer but he'd still be in teh church, and so he left again. after about a year, he was asked to help out with the church being built in Washington D.C. and he's been there ever since. I'm starting to get worried because a while ago he asked me to take some courses here in boston about scientology but I said no and he hasn't said anything to me since...I'm not sure if I am paranoid or not, but I feel like he's ruining his life. I mean, I know he says that he is happy, but at what cost? If, let's just say in 10 he decides does want to leave the church. what is he gonna do, he's probably gonna be in a lot of debt, not to mention having a freeloaders bill hoisted on him an dhe hasn't finished highschool so he wouldn't even be able to get a decent job. How can he possibly see any good in any of this? <br />Sorry about the rant, I feel like I vented on you just a little.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-69301614908239357722011-01-02T17:09:56.200-08:002011-01-02T17:09:56.200-08:00wytherin here, You don't have to post this, th...wytherin here, You don't have to post this, these are just some thoughts I had and since my families eyes tend to glaze over when I talk about anything of a psychological nature (I don't get why they don't find this stuff fascinating!) I thought I would put it here, since your site has been the catalyst for me having these observations.<br /><br />One of the things that fascinates me about this subject, is how insidious this cult thinking is, and how even people who have been "technically out" for years, still hold on to it, in spite of proof that so much of the tech and claims of OT powers is baloney.<br /><br />Part of my sick time reading (and watching Youtube) was on Cults in general, how they get people in, and how they keep them blinded. I watched one young man, explain that for quite a long time after he left the cult(and he had only been in for a short time), he had to be watched and do therapy to keep him from falling for every scam known to man out there, because his critical thinking skills were completely gone. <br /><br />Having never been in a cult, I was however struck, by a similiarity to another condition. My family has a problem with hoarding. I am not a hoarder myself (although I have some of the thinking patterns, which I am constantly on guard against), but almost every other sibling has it to one degree or another. My mother is also one. <br /><br />Hoarders fall into several types, ours would be what I would call Sentimental, or "someone might want this" types. Sentimental Hoarders can't let go of things that remind them of a good time in their life, or a person it belonged to, or reminds you of. I once got into a horrible fight with my mother because she wanted to keep a dry rotted macrame owl my Granny made, even though we had dozens of wonderful handmade quilts of hers. Even though the owl was in serious danger of falling apart by touching it, my Mom couldn't let it go.. <br /><br />The other thinking that gets hoarders stuck (there are other types of hoarders but these two fit what I see in ex scios) is the " This might be useful to someone" or I paid money for this, its wasteful to throw it out" types. Hoarders like this, will buy a new couch, but not be able to get rid of the old couch, (or clothes,books, records) because they paid for it , and throwing it away means throwing money away. Or they have the mistaken idea someone, somewhere would LOVE to have that pee stained couch that the dog barfed on last week.... <br /><br />I see the seeds of this thinking in some of the Freezoners or Indies, Even in the face of evidence that the most of Scientology is a scam (certainly the higher levels), and in the face of broken families, financial ruin, and becoming closed off from so much of the world intellectually. They go back to it, because they can't break their thought patterns. They remember their younger days, the other Scios that they missed (sometimes it seems like a high school reunion site on some of the sites).. Or they can't bear to throw it out, because somewhere, somehow, there has to be some use to it.. <br /><br />The interesting thing is that the main treatment in Hoarding, is to reconnect with your critical thinking skills, and to be willing to suffer some seperation anxiety (which gets better as you get more used to letting things go). To be willing to say, "Yes, I wasted time and money on that, but continuing to do it, won't bring the time or the money back." <br /><br />Does any of this sound familiar? Or am I just projecting?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-21511733598839314392010-12-31T19:48:27.693-08:002010-12-31T19:48:27.693-08:00Best wishes to you, and you are welcome.
Re: &quo...Best wishes to you, and you are welcome.<br /><br />Re: "Science"<br /><br />While LRH has, rather off-handedly, claimed that Scientology is research and science based, there <i>is</i> no science in Scientology. <i>No</i> Scientologist puts much importance in science.<br /><br />If pressed, they will vaguely mention the <i>Axioms and Logics</i> that Hubbard wrote, which <i>sound</i> quite authoritative, but few Scientologists claim to understand them -- and none actually do.<br /><br />So, the "science" part isn't important nor, obviously, understood by Scientologists.<br /><br />But "Standard Tech" and "Exact Application", <i>those</i> concepts are hammered into each and every Scientologist. You've undoubtedly heard mention of <i>Keeping Scientology Working</i>. In it, Hubbard demands that no changes should <i>ever</i> be made to his tech -- forever. Anyone who even <i>thinks</i> about changing anything Hubbard wrote is <i>immediately</i> and <i>automatically</i> a Suppressive Person. That's what Hubbard said.<br /><br />Therefore, good Scientologists can't consider any changes or even any questions.<br /><br />Even when it doesn't work.<br /><br />Of course, when it doesn't work, Scientologists are trained to blame themselves, never the tech.<br /><br />The <i>Keeping Scientology Working</i> policies are considered senior to anything else in Scientology. Therefore absolute acceptance of whatever Hubbard said is unquestioned.<br /><br />As I said, there <i>is</i> no science in Scientology, and Scientologists never notice.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-1385315869014063672010-12-31T16:56:01.233-08:002010-12-31T16:56:01.233-08:00Hello, Bill, and best wishes for 2011. Thanks for...Hello, Bill, and best wishes for 2011. Thanks for all of your valuable posts in past years.<br /><br />I am curious about the mindset of some of the "independents" regarding "source," Marty Rathbun being a prominent example. Rathbun seems reasonable and open to critical thinking, yet when he talks about Scientology, he exhibits an unquestioning faith in LRH and "standardness." It seems strange to me that practitioners who are in some sense thinking for themselves are so quick to snuff out any science in Scientology: i.e., there doesn't seem to be interest in actually investigating the results of Hubbard's work, isolating the good, discarding the bad or indifferent, moving forward as science does. What is it that makes dogmatism about LRH seem so key to a practice which in some sense aspires to be scientific (which is inherently provisional and anti-dogmatic)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-90485770200941349312010-12-30T16:17:01.599-08:002010-12-30T16:17:01.599-08:00Re: "Think" is a trigger word.
No, not ...Re: "Think" is a trigger word.<br /><br />No, not to my knowledge. I can't <i>think</i> of any reason why it would be. ;)Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-12068477710651978882010-12-30T16:05:23.111-08:002010-12-30T16:05:23.111-08:00Is "think" a trigger word in Co$? I noti...Is "think" a trigger word in Co$? I notice that many anti-Co$ comments on `SP Times Tax Neglect` article that have this word are pounced on by OSAbots. If I get bored enough to really look deeper I will send stats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-58895138892048114352010-12-27T16:28:10.515-08:002010-12-27T16:28:10.515-08:00Re: Good or bad
Yes, Scientology is good and bad....Re: Good or bad<br /><br />Yes, Scientology is good <i>and</i> bad. The good part is that it can make some people happier. While this is far less than the miracles Scientology promises, "being happier" isn't a bad thing.<br /><br />However, the bad aspects <i>far</i> outweigh the benefits of "being happier".<br /><br />One bad part is that is <i>is</i> a cult. Once someone becomes a Scientologist, they lose their ability to have <i>any</i> independent thoughts. Everything becomes "according to Hubbard". They become easily led and easily defrauded.<br /><br />Another bad part is that Scientology <i>lies</i>. They lie about what they can produce, they lie about what they are doing, they lie to get money and they lie to keep members from leaving.<br /><br />I've written about its cult characteristics <a href="http://askthescientologist.blogspot.com/2008/05/is-scientology-cult_26.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://askthescientologist.blogspot.com/2010/10/scientologists-can-you-remove-cult-from.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. There is no doubt that it <i>is</i> a cult.<br /><br />Your statement "I'm so afraid to say anything to him cause I don't want to be marked as a suppressive and never be able to talk to him ever again" is a clear indication of how horrible and destructive the Church of Scientology is.<br /><br />My advice is: Do not say anything negative to your friend about Scientology. There is no reason to destroy your friendship over this. <br /><br />If your friend starts going into massive debt, plans to join the Sea Org or some other self-destructive action, you might need to say something. While you should still avoid negative statements, there <i>are</i> other things you can do. If this looks like the path you need to take, tell me. There are some links I could provide that might help.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-36053584145796380382010-12-27T15:55:39.075-08:002010-12-27T15:55:39.075-08:00I'm really confused all the time. Is Scientlog...I'm really confused all the time. Is Scientlogy good or bad, my best friend is a scientologist and left boston almost 2 years ago to go to D.C. to join the church there. I've seen him a few times since and everytime he seems truly happy, but everytime I think I'm just being paranoid there seems to be something that just doesn't add up. But then again everytime I completely believe it is a cult, all of a sudden I find something that makes me think that I'm just paranoid. And I'm so afraid to say anything to him cause I don't want to be marked as a suppressive and never be able to talk to him ever again.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-37534411605750932442010-12-27T10:07:53.003-08:002010-12-27T10:07:53.003-08:00Thank you for your answer. I find myself reading t...Thank you for your answer. I find myself reading the Indie sites and freezoners sparingly, mostly because their jargon drives me insane! (hmmm... that could be deliberate)... I find myself wondering if this is the "result" of mental excercise and learning to communicate, that I am better off not knowing how..<br /><br />Long ago, I knew a handsome kid who tried to sell me on the COS and LRon, I passed after slogging through the book " Dianetics" (I love to read and am even an avid sci fi and mind studies fan, but I only got through that book because I wanted to have something to talk to the cutie about)... I thought the book was crap (and made the mistake of telling cutie so) and our love affair never blossomed.. I found out several years later that he had committed suicide, and while it made me sad, this was the 80s and I never connected the suicide to COS...<br /><br />Now reading about the abuses, I wonder, and am saddened again..<br /><br />I asked about pay structure of the Independants, because in my religion, tithing(which is the closest thing I can think of to their 'donations') is asked for, but voluntary. But then, I am not really seeing a religion in COS, because in most religions, whatever your flavor, there is the promise of Grace, and Peace, and that seems in short supply...<br /><br />No real question in this I guess, just a thanks for the answer and allowing me to walk down memory lane.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-31859439978191201742010-12-27T08:44:12.459-08:002010-12-27T08:44:12.459-08:00Re: Food
I was just reminded, Hubbard also said t...Re: Food<br /><br />I was just reminded, Hubbard also said that new mothers should feed their babies on his "barley" formula instead of breast milk.<br /><br />Very bad advice.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-57482572844411832722010-12-27T08:42:17.895-08:002010-12-27T08:42:17.895-08:00Re: Predictions
Let me think about that.Re: Predictions<br /><br />Let me think about that.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-70153023257700025852010-12-27T08:41:43.655-08:002010-12-27T08:41:43.655-08:00@wytherin
The difference between an Independent a...@wytherin<br /><br />The difference between an Independent and Freezone Scientologist is impossible to define because there are so many flavors.<br /><br />Most outside Scientologists will claim that <i>they</i> practice absolutely <i>pure</i> Scientology (what they call "Standard Tech") -- and they will accuse <i>other</i> practitioners of "squirrelling".<br /><br />The major problem is that there really is no governing body to define exactly what <i>is</i> "Standard Tech". That used to be the Church of Scientology, but Miscavige has muddied that all up by rewriting and redefining much of Scientology technology.<br /><br />So each outside practitioner or group has to decide for themselves what tech is "pure".<br /><br />The simple answer to your question is that, in general, there really is no difference between Freezone and Independent. They all follow Hubbard and attempt to practice Scientology "exactly" according to what Hubbard wrote.<br /><br />However (oh, this is complex!), there can be significant differences between individual practitioners. Some outside practitioners have decided to experiment and see if they can improve on what Hubbard wrote. While a major group, called "Ron's Org" (which has quite a number of organizations in Russia and Europe) claims to practice "Standard Tech", they also deliver a whole set of "OT Levels" developed by "Captain" Bill Robertson.<br /><br />Without a central governing body, there will inevitably be more and more disagreements on what constitutes "pure" Scientology -- as well as more experimentation. The number of different flavors of "Scientology" will only increase and fragment.<br /><br />But, as I said, they will all attempt to follow Hubbard, and so they will all be very similar whether they call themselves "Independent", "Freezone" or something else.<br /><br />I hope I didn't confuse the issue for you.<br /><br />As for prices, I have no hard facts, but my impression is that their prices are much lower than the Church of Scientology's prices -- and they do not "fund-raise" or ask for "pure donations". I've heard that several outside practitioners ask people to "pay whatever you think is appropriate".<br /><br />As I've said before, it is doubtful that Scientology's built-in abuses will survive the demise of the church.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-59301884602064451282010-12-27T07:46:48.393-08:002010-12-27T07:46:48.393-08:00I have been reading about Scientology for few mont...I have been reading about Scientology for few months now, I am so glad I found your blog, since I had a few questions but found the few times I posted on other blogs, that wogs are sadly ignored...<br /><br />What is the difference between an Independant and a Freezone Scientologist? and (I realize you are no longer a scientologist so may not be able to answer this) what kind of fees are they charging to audit? (I asked this because it seems to me that the focus on money is one of the ways the COS used to abuse its members)...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-44555757013647415492010-12-26T18:22:11.363-08:002010-12-26T18:22:11.363-08:00Hi, Bill... it's that time of year: got any Sc...Hi, Bill... it's that time of year: got any Scientology related predictions for 2011?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-23420131710334947372010-12-26T08:42:22.799-08:002010-12-26T08:42:22.799-08:00Re Food
Yes, happy holidays and happy new year to...Re Food<br /><br />Yes, happy holidays and happy new year to you as well.<br /><br />The only food related instructions from Hubbard that I'm aware of is the "rice and beans". According to Hubbard, that punishment meal was "sufficient" in protein and nutrients for survival.<br /><br />I remember, back when I was in the Sea Org, being fed rice and beans as "punishment" and being quite amused, since I happened to love rice and beans -- it was better than the "regular" food we were usually fed.<br /><br />I don't think Hubbard made any other pronouncements about food -- but I have heard that he was very picky about his own meals -- with a personal chef and a separate menu from the crew.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-49698264177078639972010-12-26T00:27:05.569-08:002010-12-26T00:27:05.569-08:00Hello, Bill. Happy holidays and best wishes for t...Hello, Bill. Happy holidays and best wishes for the new year. At dinner tonight, the topic turned to the restaurant at the "Celebrity Centre" here in Los Angeles (I haven't been). It occurred to me that Hubbard, with his proclivity for making pronouncements about every branch of human activity, must have handed down some ideas about food. Did he have dietary recommendations, or even recipes? Are members of the Sea Org expected to hew to some dietary regimen? (I have heard about the rice and beans for the RPFers, but nothing else.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com