tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post1680719686348953043..comments2023-09-18T04:45:52.991-07:00Comments on Ask the Scientologist: Scientology vs. Freedom of SpeechJust Billhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-72200154845016944172014-12-31T09:50:57.302-08:002014-12-31T09:50:57.302-08:00For some, bits of Hubbard's "tech" d...For some, bits of Hubbard's "tech" does provide some benefit. It isn't much but if you've tried something and you get some benefit from it - use that. If someone requires you do pay money or <i>believe</i> things you really don't agree with, then skip it.<br /><br />There is nothing so beneficial in Scientology that you couldn't just skip the whole thing.<br /><br />As for taking sides, use your head and your heart. No one needs to bow to the dictates of Scientology. Scientology <i>does not have the power</i> to dictate to you. My advice is: <i>Don't take sides</i>. Talk to everyone. Listen to everyone. Be as nice as you can to people.<br /><br />Do not cut communication with someone because Scientology "requires" it. Do not let Scientology tell you what you <i>should</i> think and what you <i>should</i> do.<br /><br />If Scientology "comes after you", just smile and ignore it. They are all "sound and fury, signifying nothing". They need you, you don't need them.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-40954778674323169542014-11-23T17:43:10.886-08:002014-11-23T17:43:10.886-08:00How does one decide which piece of Scientology to ...How does one decide which piece of Scientology to apply and who's side to take when someone is considered an enemy of the church of Scientology (perhaps to get investigation)?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-44914465561442229202012-08-14T06:47:13.860-07:002012-08-14T06:47:13.860-07:00Re: Will Scientology be around?
It all depends on ...Re: Will Scientology be around?<br />It all depends on what you are talking about. Will the "Church of Scientology" be around for a long time? I don't think so. David Miscavige, the leader, has not only destroyed the organizational structure and has given the church a very bad name, but he also has all the church's millions under his direct control. He has committed many, many crimes. At some point, I expect him to run, taking the church's millions with him.<br /><br />If that doesn't happen, the church may survive a bit longer, but there really isn't anything left, organizationally. It really can't recover from Miscavige. Ten years? Twenty? Maybe that long.<br /><br />However, people who <i>believe</i> in some form of Scientology will keep the belief system of Scientology going for a long, long time. It will splinter and change and some parts absorbed in other systems. Who knows how long that will go on?<br /><br />Anything useful will, one hopes, be preserved.<br /><br />Anyway, that's what I think is going to happen.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-54481526028665574362012-08-13T19:47:55.916-07:002012-08-13T19:47:55.916-07:00Do you personally believe that this religion will ...Do you personally believe that this religion will be here to stay for a long time, or will it die out and bring its fallowers with it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-5101478861485341202012-08-07T11:15:41.435-07:002012-08-07T11:15:41.435-07:00I apologize if my reaction was a bit strong. The ...I apologize if my reaction was a bit strong. The Church of Scientology uses that exact tactic (among others) to attempt to divert attention from their crimes and abuses -- I reacted as I did because of that.<br /><br />Thanks for participating in our debates here, I do appreciate it.<br /><br />BillJust Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-24647019559806925302012-08-07T10:59:05.448-07:002012-08-07T10:59:05.448-07:00I am not here to pick a fight with you, and I did ...I am not here to pick a fight with you, and I did not mean anything I said to become an offense or annoyance. I simply feel your opinion has meaning, and I liked to ask you those questions to see what other people think on the other side of the coin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-63171626832865920192012-08-06T17:29:07.086-07:002012-08-06T17:29:07.086-07:00Once again, this same red herring. "Look ove...Once again, this same red herring. "Look over there! That's worse! Look over there!"<br /><br />The crimes and abuse of some entirely different group <i>does not absolve the Church of Scientology</i> of its crimes and abuse.<br /><br />If someone burns down your house, does it make it OK as long as they point to someone else who burned down <i>three</i> houses?<br /><br />The Church of Scientology continues to this very day to commit horrible crimes, abuse and fraud. You can point your little red herring fingers all over the place but that doesn't change the facts that <i>the Church of Scientology continues to this very day to commit horrible crimes, abuse and fraud</i>.<br /><br />I notice you also try to conflate the Church of Scientology with "Scientology" the belief system, so you can protest the "lack of respect". Those two things are entirely different. <br /><br />The Church of Scientology is a criminal organization led by a sociopathic dictator that has seriously harmed many, many people.<br /><br />Scientology is just a belief system that no one much cares about.<br /><br />Get your facts straight or troll somewhere else.<br /><br />BillJust Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-43083596534024640642012-08-06T15:59:21.390-07:002012-08-06T15:59:21.390-07:00When you look around on the Internet and YouTube, ...When you look around on the Internet and YouTube, you see negative stuff being always said about Scientology. But what ever happens about the catholic past? NOTHING. Did you know that when settlers were first coming to Canada, they brought their priests, some catholic. They took the native children who originally had lived peacefully on their land, forced them to speak a different language, made them forget about their culture, forced them to change their religion and way of life, and so on. So catholics are not so perfect. But I'm not going to judge a group of people just because a few bad people decided to do some bad stuff. So why is it people today judge a whole group of scientologists, just because some of them decided to take advantage of it. Is it not unfair? Where is the respect toward Scientology in people today and for the future??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-21945513889702634452012-08-06T08:03:47.568-07:002012-08-06T08:03:47.568-07:00That isn't quite the correct question. I don&...That isn't quite the correct question. I don't think Scientologists have <i>any</i> objections to people speaking about Human Rights or Freedom of Speech. That isn't what's going on.<br /><br />What Scientologists and the Church of Scientology <i>do</i> object to, and work very, very hard to suppress, is people exposing information about Scientology or L. Ron Hubbard that they don't want exposed. Scientology and Hubbard's lies, abuses, crimes and fraud are "secrets" that Scientology does not want exposed.<br /><br />In addition, the Church of Scientology has been violating peoples' basic Human Rights for many many years. They love to <i>talk</i> about Human Rights, but really get mad if <i>their</i> vicious Human Rights abuses get exposed.<br /><br />"Human Rights?" "Freedom of Speech?" The Church of Scientology will talk all day about those subjects, just don't look to closely at their abysmal record in this regard.<br /><br />BillJust Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-91897634645568402212012-08-05T20:00:37.929-07:002012-08-05T20:00:37.929-07:00Why is it exactly that scientologists do not like ...Why is it exactly that scientologists do not like other people talking about their human rights or freedom of speech?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-975928009237956702012-08-01T09:01:29.479-07:002012-08-01T09:01:29.479-07:00Carl 978 here.
I thank you very much for the help...Carl 978 here.<br /><br />I thank you very much for the helpful answers you've provided me with, and I hope if I'm ever frozen without reasonable answers, I can come here for them, thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-43297880726610123242012-08-01T06:57:31.342-07:002012-08-01T06:57:31.342-07:00In my opinion, there is a small amount of good in ...In my opinion, there <i>is</i> a small amount of good in Scientology. Scientologists, as a rule, are good people. Scientology, as a belief system, has some good parts. When a Scientologist defends Scientology, they will remember and will reference the good that they experienced.<br /><br />If Scientology only practiced the good, workable parts of its "tech", and if it only promised the results that it <i>could</i> and <i>did</i> produce and if it wasn't so greedy, then Scientology would be fine.<br /><br />The problem with Scientology isn't the bit of good that it <i>can</i> accomplish, the problem is how much <i>bad</i> you have to accept to experience that bit of good.<br /><br />Unfortunately, all this is built into the very foundation of Scientology. You <i>must</i> accept <i>all</i> of it, the good <i>and</i> the bad, the lies, the betrayals, the greed -- all of it. It's a package deal.<br /><br />Because it <i>is</i> a package deal, one's only sane choice is to reject it all.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-17541558437976398042012-07-31T20:52:39.649-07:002012-07-31T20:52:39.649-07:00Carl 978 here.
From your own standpoint, do you ...Carl 978 here. <br /><br />From your own standpoint, do you think that there is even a shimmer of good in Scientology?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-69314026723355750892012-07-31T15:44:08.351-07:002012-07-31T15:44:08.351-07:00Nothing wrong with learning. If you want to know ...Nothing wrong with learning. If you want to know more about Scientology from Scientology, get a book from the library if they have any. Or maybe a used book store. Do <i>not</i> buy one from the Church of Scientology because they <i>will</i> hound you forever.<br /><br />Scientology changes a person to be more "controlling" because <i>that's what they teach</i>. All the basic "communication" courses teach one how to control others to get answers or obedience. Of course, that <i>isn't</i> "communication" and that <i>isn't</i> the way to make friends or live a happy life.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-993915953406733952012-07-31T14:58:40.452-07:002012-07-31T14:58:40.452-07:00Carl 978 here.
Thanks for the ideas. I can really...Carl 978 here.<br /><br />Thanks for the ideas. I can really see now what you mean. But I like to learn. I'm not going to become a scientologist, I'm just the type of person who likes to learn about what's out there. <br />There's still something that puzzles me. Why does this 'religion' change a person into a more "controling person?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-35956944963009105042012-07-31T07:11:06.022-07:002012-07-31T07:11:06.022-07:00You need to look. The Church of Scientology does ...You need to look. The Church of Scientology does more harm today than any earlier time in its history because it demands much more and delivers much less. Google "Scientology lies", "Scientology abuses", "Scientology crimes", "Scientology Int Base", and similar. Bad things are happening right now as you read this.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-82422265148450489842012-07-31T07:08:08.776-07:002012-07-31T07:08:08.776-07:00I think you need to brush up on your Google skills...I think you need to brush up on your Google skills. The exposés and first person stories about what is wrong with the Church of Scientology are legion.<br /><br />You should not look at what the Church of Scientology <i>says</i> it does but what it <i>actually does</i>.<br /><br />See the "More Info" over to the left? Check out those links.<br /><br />Scientology promises to "make people more able" but what it <i>does</i> is charge a ton of money and <i>not</i> change people very much at all. Every single "gain" and "ability" promised by Scientology <i>does not happen</i>. I have communicated with hundreds of people who have done Scientology -- even up to the highest levels -- and they <i>all</i> admit that <i>they never got the promised gains</i>. I certainly didn't.<br /><br />Certainly most of them "felt better" or "became happier" while Scientologists, but people "feel better" and "become happier" all the time while participating in all sorts of activities. The key point is that Scientology does not deliver <i>what they promise</i>.<br /><br />So, if you are gullible and <i>believe</i> what the church promises, and if you don't check to see if those promises are true, then you are a prime candidate to become a Scientologist. Bring lots of money and lower your expectations.<br /><br />If, however, you want to <i>actually</i> improve yourself, keep looking. Scientology doesn't deliver any of the "miraculous" gains that it promises.<br /><br />Go and look for yourself. Check out the links to the left. <i>Really</i> use Google.<br /><br />BillJust Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-57292789260788115752012-07-30T20:31:09.431-07:002012-07-30T20:31:09.431-07:00Carl 978 here.
Basically what I meant in my prev...Carl 978 here. <br /><br />Basically what I meant in my previous message, was what harm does Scientology do to people today?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-23572690584414605062012-07-30T20:27:22.150-07:002012-07-30T20:27:22.150-07:00Carl782 here.
I see a lot of critism on this ...Carl782 here. <br /><br /> I see a lot of critism on this 'religion.' especially on actor Tom Cruise. From what I know about this 'religion,' is that they believe we are spirits trapped inside of human bodies, and we have to replenish ourselves to almost allow our true beings to be free. So by fallowing paths and ways of life, we can improve our minds and spirits. <br />Now I'm not sure how actuate I am, but I want to learn more on this subject. Scientology sort of "caught me," in curiosity and what I can't figure out, (after all my google searches...) is what makes this 'religion' so bad. Isn't it basically a "mission" to become a better person, or is there something that I've missed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-62064487892275828102012-07-30T06:39:52.605-07:002012-07-30T06:39:52.605-07:00The Church of Scientology has worked very, very ha...The Church of Scientology has worked very, very had over its history to suppress all criticism of L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology and the Church of Scientology -- using both legal and very illegal means -- all the while hypocritically saying they are proponents of free speech.<br /><br />Like many things involving the Church of Scientology, what they <i>say</i> is the exact opposite of what they <i>do</i>.<br /><br />To know the truth about Scientology, you must ignore what they say, what they claim and what they promise and only look at what they do. There lies the truth.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-19458567443471793222012-07-30T02:58:31.304-07:002012-07-30T02:58:31.304-07:00That's very interesting. So what happens is th...That's very interesting. So what happens is they have this freedom of speech only to a point? And if they go to attack the church, this freedom is basically taken away from them? Do I have it right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-53614228122708521052008-04-11T09:56:00.000-07:002008-04-11T09:56:00.000-07:00I love how this anony-scilon keeps copy-and-pastin...I love how this anony-scilon keeps copy-and-pasting the same URL in every one of your posts.<BR/><BR/>Okay, Mr. Shill. Here's:<BR/><BR/>"An interesting court document in one case against the church."<BR/><BR/>http://www.whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/legal/oddomtsor030112.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com