tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post4730557234560909083..comments2023-09-18T04:45:52.991-07:00Comments on Ask the Scientologist: Happy New Year 2012Just Billhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-29697869247580601872012-01-08T23:14:13.861-08:002012-01-08T23:14:13.861-08:00Here is a link in case anyone wants to read Debbie...Here is a link in case anyone wants to read Debbie's complete email.<br /><br />http://publicintelligence.net/debbie-cook-scientology-1-billion-cash-reserve-email/Squash Ladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08107266262858228787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-74909697691883894282012-01-08T23:11:27.100-08:002012-01-08T23:11:27.100-08:00Debbie's email to Scientologists was like a br...Debbie's email to Scientologists was like a breath of fresh air.<br /><br />Then reality set in. Many of the faithful aren't reading it. The Church has warned them. Here is an excerpt of one such warning (I translated some jargon so it would be understandable):<br /><br />"Dear all,<br /><br />There's been some entheta (lies) flying around lately and I just wanted to give <br />you some words from LRH on that kind of thing.<br /> <br />By the way, to those of you who sent me a copy, thanks, that's the right thing to do...when you see some entheta (communication based on lies) about Scientology send it to the correct Church terminal. <br /><br />The (Church) campaigns are exploding like never before and for those of us more closely involved in them, we know with no hesitation <br />that this is our time and both the campaigns and Scientology are getting acceptance like crazy."<br /><br />The Church email goes on to give some LRH references about the relationship between natter and overts (harmful acts) thus proving that since Debbie is nattering she is essentially broadcasting to one and all that she has committed harmful acts. And so Debbie's email isn't really about the horrible things she has seen or experienced, it is about her and her crimes. Get it!<br /><br />And another reference in the Church email says essentially that if you have a problem with the Church, tell the correct people about it and then all will be well.<br /><br />To summarize: anything negative said about the Church to anyone outside the Church is based on lies because if you were a good person, you would have just written a report and kept it all in the family. So shame on you for telling. You do this because of your hidden crimes..<br /><br />WOW... And I used to buy that...Squash Ladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08107266262858228787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-47824052457988600842012-01-07T13:12:44.238-08:002012-01-07T13:12:44.238-08:00Re: Never ascribe to conspiracy what can be explai...Re: <i>Never ascribe to conspiracy what can be explained to stupidity.</i><br /><br />Read Hubbard’s affirmations. Their dominant theme can be summed up in one notable sentence, "All Mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why." He <i>definitely</i> had a plan.<br /><br />And would an incompetent person be able to create a vast corporate empire worth hundreds of millions of dollars? If so, I wish I was that incompetent. <br /><br />No, I think Hubbard was an extremely clever guy who was in it for number one.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-58490039797682337542012-01-06T18:46:13.149-08:002012-01-06T18:46:13.149-08:00Never ascribe to conspiracy what can be explained ...Never ascribe to conspiracy what can be explained to stupidity. Hubbard didn't create a <a href="http://issendai.livejournal.com/572510.html" rel="nofollow">sick system</a> to make himself look clever by comparison--he created a sick system because he was too incompetent to create a workable one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-68908927788427313172012-01-05T15:32:00.468-08:002012-01-05T15:32:00.468-08:00Dictators and cult leaders are self-centred and pa...Dictators and cult leaders are self-centred and paranoid and will do anything to hold onto power. This goes for King Herod of Judea to Kim Jong Il of North Korea and for Charles Manson to Jim Jones . . . they don't care about anyone but themselves.<br /><br />What they fear more than anything else is being deposed.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-61214305429023207762012-01-05T13:07:54.642-08:002012-01-05T13:07:54.642-08:00@Dave
Hmmm. Not a concept I ever considered -- t...@Dave<br /><br />Hmmm. Not a concept I ever considered -- that Hubbard would deliberately make his policies unworkable. You could be right. He certainly had no consideration of what would happen after he was gone.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-19237540650296368172012-01-05T12:47:33.653-08:002012-01-05T12:47:33.653-08:00Destructive cults are always authoritarian in thei...Destructive cults are always authoritarian in their power structure and the leader must always be regarded as the supreme authority. To keep up this façade, cult members are cleverly hoodwinked and manipulated. <br /><br />So my point is suppose Hubbard <i>deliberately</i> created those unworkable business policies to keep his followers down and dependent on him and Scientology $ervices. <br /><br />Hampered by his unworkable policies Scientologists would never be as good or able as their leader. This way Hubbard could stay on his self-created pedestal and go on manipulating them, appearing omnipotent with special knowledge and skills, demanding unquestioning obedience with power, privilege, excessive discipline and expectations, all the while pointing out to his “handicapped” followers what inept fools they were. <br /><br />They, not being as competent as their leader, would of course agree. As Shakespeare said, “Though this be madness, yet there is method in't.”<br /><br />This is a standard mind-control tactic used by cult leaders, pimps, and the like.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-88927230676768599242012-01-04T19:24:34.798-08:002012-01-04T19:24:34.798-08:00@Dave
You could be right but the evidence doesn&#...@Dave<br /><br />You could be right but the evidence doesn't support you. His business policies are quite unworkable and, when actually and religiously applied, cause the inevitable destruction of an organization.<br /><br />But Hubbard <i>was</i> clever, I'll give you that. His organizational skill was in picking and supporting the correct people who <i>could</i> run an organization -- despite Hubbard's policies. I've seen it in action. He accrued a large fortune because of that and because he accumulated devout followers who bought everything he sold.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-34639279660757803552012-01-04T18:14:28.165-08:002012-01-04T18:14:28.165-08:00I beg to differ JB but IMO L. Ron Hubbard was unqu...I beg to differ JB but IMO L. Ron Hubbard was unquestionably a clever man who <i>definitely</i> knew how to run a business! <br /><br />The fact is he left behind a vast corporate empire, including millions of dollars worth of copyrights and trademarks, as well as a personal fortune rumoured to be worth hundreds of millions. How many people achieve that level of financial success?Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-54639295485225082182012-01-04T14:59:50.566-08:002012-01-04T14:59:50.566-08:00Re: Built-in flaws
Well, Hubbard obviously though...Re: Built-in flaws<br /><br />Well, Hubbard obviously <i>thought he was</i> a clever man. He was ignorant of how to actually run a business. He had <i>never</i> run his own business, just like Miscavige. His policies often <i>seem</i> logical and workable but there was no knowledge or experience behind them.<br /><br />Hubbard ran the Scientology organizations by accepting and approving what worked, <i>not</i> what was "on policy". Hubbard, himself, never followed his own policies and, as long as they were successful, didn't demand his executives to do so either.<br /><br />That's the real reason behind any successes that occurred when he was running things. If you were making money, Hubbard <i>never</i> asked if you were following his policies.<br /><br />The horrible flaws in Hubbard's policies are quite accidental, not intentional. He was quite ignorant.<br /><br />Without Hubbard to tacitly allow success to override his policies, all Scientology organizations are doomed.<br /><br />And that is a good thing.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-54530998949607637092012-01-04T12:38:45.177-08:002012-01-04T12:38:45.177-08:00Re: The built-in flaws that ensure that any future...Re: <i>The built-in flaws that ensure that any future Scientology organization will not succeed.</i><br /><br />Hubbard was obviously a clever man, so why did he have built-in flaws in the Scientology organization? Was it a mistake on his part or did he do it deliberately to distract people from noticing that they were not getting the promised results?<br /><br />And BTW if anyone reading here thinks they have OT powers, please contact James Randi and pick up your $1,000,000 dollars.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-48155510104780608592012-01-04T06:37:16.371-08:002012-01-04T06:37:16.371-08:00Re: Marty's world for ex-churchies
I certainl...Re: Marty's world for ex-churchies<br /><br />I certainly agree with you that, as long as Marty doesn't start practicing Hubbard's more abusive "tech", let's give him all the rope he needs and see what happens.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-24391655777025384182012-01-04T06:35:48.409-08:002012-01-04T06:35:48.409-08:00Re: $1 billion
Note that this figure was only the...Re: $1 billion<br /><br />Note that this figure was <i>only</i> the assets held by the IAS (International Association of Scientologists) and is supposed to be used for 1) defending Scientology, 2) destroying psychiatrists and 3) promoting Scientology's "expansion". And note that it is being hoarded and not much used.<br /><br />While I can't confirm the accuracy of "$1 billion", I'd say that's a likely number.<br /><br />But the Church of Scientology has a <i>lot</i> more money than that, a <b>lot</b> -- and it is <i>all</i> under the sole control of David Miscavige. When it becomes obvious that Miscavige will be arrested for all his crimes, I expect him to scuttle off to a safe location and continue to live the billionaire's lifestyle he has become accustomed to.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-2081936270148413672012-01-04T01:12:41.577-08:002012-01-04T01:12:41.577-08:00I absolutely agree with you, Bill.
I believe it w...I absolutely agree with you, Bill.<br /><br />I believe it was only the suppressive organisation exerting an enormous amount of control that gave Scientology the remote semblance of workability. With it gone, the cult will collapse.<br /><br />If, and only if, the tech is workable, will he be successful establishing an independent movement in the long run.<br />That's why I have no problem supporting Marty in his endeavour of getting as many people out of the church as possible, even if they initially land in his fold, unlike many other anons.<br />I'm ready to give Marty his chance to prove the Tech works as long as he refrains from doing the abuse practices as done in the current organisation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-56504481237904679672012-01-04T00:40:42.947-08:002012-01-04T00:40:42.947-08:00I noticed a citation of $1 billion in assets. Is ...I noticed a citation of $1 billion in assets. Is that accurate? If so, it seems DM could in the worst case scenario simply try and ride out the storm on his savings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-50620035870431582692012-01-03T06:42:26.953-08:002012-01-03T06:42:26.953-08:00Re: Reform movement
Technically, this isn't g...Re: Reform movement<br /><br />Technically, this isn't going to happen. You see, Scientologists outside of the church can't agree on what really is "pure Source". When did LRH's tech/policy start getting corrupted? What was corrupted? When LRH stole from others (for instance, Mayo), is that corruption? Since "the tech" has <i>never</i> produced the magnificent results promised, how can you determine which parts are the "100% workable" parts?<br /><br />Without the church dictating "<i>This</i> is Standard Tech", there is no agreement. Without agreement, there can be no "reform" back to "pure" Scientology.<br /><br />And, if by "reform" you mean "get rid of the lies, abuse and fraud", well that's forbidden explicitly by LRH. Nothing he wrote can be ignored, altered or dropped out.<br /><br />No, any true reform just isn't going to happen to Scientology.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-56112576390718598002012-01-03T06:33:58.109-08:002012-01-03T06:33:58.109-08:00Re: Years wasted
Thanks for your complements. Bo...Re: Years wasted<br /><br />Thanks for your complements. Boy, do I know about wasted years! Ah, well. You have to start from where you are right now. Regret is a waste of time.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-68926356723396531652012-01-03T06:32:15.319-08:002012-01-03T06:32:15.319-08:00Hi Rachel99!
Exactly right. Their reactions are ...Hi Rachel99!<br /><br />Exactly right. Their reactions are automatic and completely detached from reality. They attack the messenger even though they all <i>know</i> the message is absolutely true.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-8638636149336337472012-01-03T03:35:06.623-08:002012-01-03T03:35:06.623-08:00Is a 'reform movement' remotely feasible i...Is a 'reform movement' remotely feasible in Scientology? Is there really a way to go back to the source when the source has been dead for a quarter of a century?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-7901831555237119032012-01-02T20:19:08.021-08:002012-01-02T20:19:08.021-08:00To the point, once again. Ah, to see it's dem...To the point, once again. Ah, to see it's demise is a beautiful thing. All those years wasted down a tarnished brick road:( Hail to you for your intelligence in communication. You helped me GREATLY in getting out and I use your link to help others see the light. Write "Right" on Bill!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-70349272516600470412012-01-02T16:11:33.860-08:002012-01-02T16:11:33.860-08:00The dead-agenting of Debbie began almost as soon a...The dead-agenting of Debbie began almost as soon as the e-mail went out, and all Debbie did was PRAISE Hubbard, Scientology and the tech! What does that say about Davey and co?<br /><br />Rachel99Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-38162297931242850502012-01-02T11:29:19.450-08:002012-01-02T11:29:19.450-08:00Dear Bill:
That is the greatest news I have ever r...Dear Bill:<br />That is the greatest news I have ever received!<br />A dedicated insider putting it into black and white!<br />Of course there will be a great effect!<br />Thank you very much Debbie for your INTEGRITY!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com