tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post5914012055881331666..comments2023-09-18T04:45:52.991-07:00Comments on Ask the Scientologist: Understanding How the Trap WorksJust Billhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-13593532311631764122010-03-22T07:18:10.880-07:002010-03-22T07:18:10.880-07:00On the contrary, I did have some great benefits fr...On the contrary, I <i>did</i> have some great benefits from my time in Scientology -- otherwise, I wouldn't have stayed in as long as I did. I, also, think there is "something there", but no one seems inclined to research to find out what.<br /><br />However, getting some, occasional benefits, or feeling "better", while nice, <i>isn't</i> what was promised. The very specific gains <i>promised</i> by Scientology are not being and have not been delivered. No real Releases, Clears or OTs.<br /><br />And the people at the top of the Church of Scientology all <i>know</i> that there are no real Releases, no real Clears and no real OTs. They, of all people, <i>do</i> know this, and <i>still</i> they continue to sell it.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-82771689127866496692010-03-21T22:28:17.567-07:002010-03-21T22:28:17.567-07:00Okay.
I guess you didn't get that many benefi...Okay.<br /><br />I guess you didn't get that many benefits from it yourself?<br /><br />To me, the Purification Rundown was great as was almost all of the auditing I had. I think there is something to this technology but the other paranoic and punitive policies make the organization cave in on itself and I believe it always will, unfortunately.<br /><br />Thanks for your answer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-61627857255463935212010-03-21T19:43:55.528-07:002010-03-21T19:43:55.528-07:00Let me put it this way: David Miscavige has refuse...Let me put it this way: David Miscavige has refused to get or do any auditing for <i>decades</i>. If he thought it worked <i>at all</i>, he would be getting regular auditing. He, obviously, thinks it doesn't work. And he's <i>selling</i> the stuff to the world. Same with training. He hasn't trained in decades -- and wasn't that highly trained to begin with.<br /><br />It's hard to say at what level of the hierarchy the other executives are privy to all the failures of Scientology -- the independent study that showed the Purification Rundown is useless; the independent study that proved that the Study Tech is useless; the consistent failures of Scientology organizations. At some level in the hierarchy the research and the raw statistics tell the tale. Sure they cover it up below that level, but at the very top, they <i>must</i> know -- the proof is there. <i>It's what they are covering up. It's what they are lying about.</i> They know.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-73406147152372337992010-03-21T19:00:22.633-07:002010-03-21T19:00:22.633-07:00Just Bill,
Do you really, truly, KNOW that the ev...Just Bill,<br /><br />Do you really, truly, KNOW that the evil ones do not believe in the technology and this statement, "They know their technology does not work. They know their church is a sham. They are trying to squeeze the last dime out of the last true believer before the cops show up at the door." <br /><br />I understand that they don't use it but I didn't always either but still wanted to protect it because I believed it worked even though I wasn't being disciplined at the time. <br /><br />As you write so eloquently, can you expound more on this to give myself and others more "evidence" of this even if it is anecdotal?<br /><br />I would certainly love to see an intra-org dispatch stating, "Guillaume, get marketing to create a piece that will sell more of Hubbard's crap to the masses." but that's not gonna happen.<br /><br />Do you think it's that bad? Fraud of that variety?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-46076790518325460612008-04-03T06:33:00.000-07:002008-04-03T06:33:00.000-07:00Thanks for clearing that up. I completely agree.Thanks for clearing that up. I completely agree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-61658510835886069652008-04-03T05:25:00.000-07:002008-04-03T05:25:00.000-07:00Any benefits of Scientology are subjective. I, pe...Any benefits of Scientology are subjective. I, personally, had gains. But then, I've gotten gains from many things in life, just as you have.<BR/><BR/>The point about the leaders is about their belief. They <I>do not believe that Scientology works</I>, they never use it. That's significant - and quite beside the point of whether it actually <I>does</I> work or not.<BR/><BR/>If you sell something that <I>you, yourself, do not believe in</I>, that makes it a fraud, a scam, a con.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-45888574768262102042008-04-03T05:07:00.000-07:002008-04-03T05:07:00.000-07:00I'm really confused by this. You write that the ba...I'm really confused by this. You write that the basic technology works (for some), but you also write that the leaders know their technology does not work. I'm curious to know, which part of Scientology do you believe works and which part doesn't? <BR/>Personally I believe Scientologys basic technology is nothing more than a half-hearted self help programme. The result of the basic tech can IMO just as easily (and freely) be obtained, if you talk to family, friends and co-workers about your and their life and goals in life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com