tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post8406815485729417298..comments2023-09-18T04:45:52.991-07:00Comments on Ask the Scientologist: What's Wrong With the Simon Wiesenthal Center Honoring Tom Cruise?Just Billhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-53325816735449959522011-05-18T08:47:29.009-07:002011-05-18T08:47:29.009-07:00Re: SWC revocation?
No, the Simon Wiesenthal Cent...Re: SWC revocation?<br /><br />No, the Simon Wiesenthal Center will <i>never</i> revoke this award. They know all this will blow over, eventually, and people will forget.<br /><br />The "Humanitarian" Award is about money. Cruise gave a chunk of money and knows a lot of rich celebrities. In exchange for that, he gets the award. Done deal.<br /><br />The fact that Cruise <i>was</i> the face for the Church of Scientology is immaterial to SWC. They may have even thought giving the award to Cruise enhanced their image for "tolerance".<br /><br />The fact that Scientology represents the <i>exact opposite</i> to SWC's stated goals was, unfortunately, irrelevant to their decision. As I said, their decision was based on money.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-48749303975070924912011-05-17T21:55:11.680-07:002011-05-17T21:55:11.680-07:00Paulette Cooper publicly denounced Cruise getting ...Paulette Cooper publicly denounced Cruise getting this award: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/05/paulette_cooper.php<br /><br />I had no idea she was a Holocaust survivor.<br /><br />And now, it appears Scientology's attorney in Israel, Gur Finkelstein, was involved in a plot to bomb a mosque in Israel, as well as the Scientology center itself -- and reap profits from doing so. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4069940,00.html<br /><br />Is it unreasonable to think the SWC will eventually revoke Cruise's award?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-24468017589391224692011-04-30T08:57:22.795-07:002011-04-30T08:57:22.795-07:00I was pleased to see this post on SWC picked up by...I was pleased to see this post on SWC picked up by site combatting anti-Semitism:<br /><br />http://www.anti-semitism.net/holocaust-denial/whats-wrong-with-the-simon-wiesenthal-center-honoring-tom-cruise.phpAthanasius Kircherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08879825959488518839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-15362896272719198682011-04-26T12:01:48.805-07:002011-04-26T12:01:48.805-07:00Re: Farrakhan and the Anti-Defamation League
I...Re: Farrakhan and the Anti-Defamation League<br /><br />I'm not sure the alliance between NOI and the Church of Scientology is much known outside of our sites. This is yet another reason that the SWC should rethink its plan to honor Tom Cruise.<br /><br />Yes, there are tons of red flags that should have been raised about this.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-47645754963381260512011-04-26T11:28:24.875-07:002011-04-26T11:28:24.875-07:00The Anti-Defamation League keeps track of Louis Fa...The Anti-Defamation League keeps track of Louis Farrakhan's anti-Semitic comments. Wouldn't his alliance with Scientology have thrown up a red flag?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-85412396753192911152011-04-25T22:57:47.117-07:002011-04-25T22:57:47.117-07:00Yeah, wow, Just Bill finally agreed with something...Yeah, wow, Just Bill finally agreed with something I posted here! But I don't deserve any kudos for my reasoning or eloquence, he deserves all the credit for graciously accepting and not capriciously rejecting them!<br /><br />Welcome to the funhouse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-58633196884922707442011-04-23T10:02:41.249-07:002011-04-23T10:02:41.249-07:00Just Bill said...
"Re: Protesting at SWC aw...Just Bill said...<br /><br />"Re: Protesting at SWC award<br /><br />I get your point and I've changed my mind. I think protesting will work out just fine."<br /><br />April 23, 2011 8:06 AM<br /><br />**************************<br /><br />I have no end of respect for someone who can say the above and in just that way.Lady Xenunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-64383944701306261712011-04-23T08:06:13.372-07:002011-04-23T08:06:13.372-07:00Re: Protesting at SWC award
I get your point and ...Re: Protesting at SWC award<br /><br />I get your point and I've changed my mind. I think protesting will work out just fine.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-84591254528750631522011-04-23T01:34:14.460-07:002011-04-23T01:34:14.460-07:00The SWC is indirectly honoring Scientology.
Now ...The SWC is indirectly honoring Scientology. <br /><br />Now to your point about protesting:<br /><br />I don't think MOST people would misunderstand Anonymous protesting this award--it is too well known that Anonymous has a beef with Scientology. And, if Jews want to hide their heads in the sand about Scientology's documented abuses, isn't that hugely ironic?<br /><br />I think this whole incident is a foot bullet for both SWC and Tom Cruise and deservedly so. <br /><br />Does that make me anti-semitic? No. Although my Jewish first husband called me that when I criticized the Sabra and Shatila Massacres, so I'm inured to that particular jerk of the knee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-82348339216454396922011-04-22T22:27:49.207-07:002011-04-22T22:27:49.207-07:00@Just Bill
For a long time Cruise may not have kno...@Just Bill<br />For a long time Cruise may not have known because it's my understanding that the celebrities deal with a Potemkin village version of Scientology, but he must have discovered something did not add up (which might explain that period when he silently walked away from the "church.") I think he has either been very selective in what he wants to know about the Co$, or it's a see-saw between what his Sci handlers want him to say and what his PR people want him to do. With the public perception of Scientology in the toilet he's keeping quiet; if Miscavage were to accidentally drive his motorcycle off a cliff and the "church" reformed, he might go prosletizing again or he might drop out entirely because his friendship with DM was the only thing keeping him around.Strelnikovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12660962615198939441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-36661472248507893192011-04-20T09:04:01.237-07:002011-04-20T09:04:01.237-07:00Actually, I agree, for the most part. Tom Cruise ...Actually, I agree, for the most part. Tom Cruise would have to be pretty stupid or very isolated to not be aware of the evidence against the Church of Scientology regarding its crimes, lies, abuse and fraud.<br /><br />Cruise has <i>greatly</i> benefited from Scientology's slave labor -- how can he not know this?<br /><br />He has received millions of dollars worth of gifts from David Miscavige -- where does Tom think this money comes from? The only way Miscavige has that kind of money is by <i>illegal and fraudulent</i> means.<br /><br />Tom Cruise does have a responsibility to know all this. His acceptance of all these gifts from Miscavige makes him, to a great degree, responsible for the abuse and fraud behind it all.<br /><br />The Simon Wiesenthal Center has made a major mistake here. My only point was that the center is not <i>directly</i> "honoring Scientology".Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-36344023698503442962011-04-20T00:21:08.184-07:002011-04-20T00:21:08.184-07:00"Is there anyone in the U.S. that sees much d..."Is there anyone in the U.S. that sees much daylight between Tom Cruise and Scientology?"<br />- Anon. 4-17-2011 11:23 PM<br /><br />Nope. Tom's PR flacks may have gotten him to stop mentioning Co$ in public, but everybody's seen the "Mission Impossible" Scientology video and they remember him jumping around on Oprah's couch. The damage cannot be undone (barring Cruise resigning from the "church.")Strelnikovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12660962615198939441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-8930200258123253872011-04-19T18:26:30.579-07:002011-04-19T18:26:30.579-07:00I think the irony of this "honor" is com...I think the irony of this "honor" is compounded by the recent partnership between Scientology and the Nation of Islam, whose members have routinely made derogatory remarks about Jews.Epic Sword Guyhttp://youtube.com/EpicSwordGuynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-90035169146020276312011-04-17T23:23:22.934-07:002011-04-17T23:23:22.934-07:00Okay, honoring Tom Cruise.
Is there anyone in the...Okay, honoring Tom Cruise.<br /><br />Is there anyone in the U.S. that sees much daylight between Tom Cruise and Scientology?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-27163652025755645282011-04-17T10:09:42.457-07:002011-04-17T10:09:42.457-07:00Interesting that in the New Amerika manipulating y...Interesting that in the New Amerika manipulating your image for gain is viewed as an understandable activity. Signs of the pathocracy: when supposedly decent people don't see anything wrong with mendacity and hypocrisy because AT LEAST it isn't murder or worse.<br /><br />"Rehabilitating oneself" is laudable. <br /><br />"Rehabilitating one's image" is risable, despicable and sociopathic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-20938965927239123462011-04-17T07:40:20.003-07:002011-04-17T07:40:20.003-07:00I would guess that any generous donations by Tom C...I would guess that any generous donations by Tom Cruise to the Simon Weisenthal Center were part of the handling for the flap in Germany in 2007 around his <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyrie_(film)" rel="nofollow">Valkyrie</a> film.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-84315392669701287312011-04-16T13:48:54.239-07:002011-04-16T13:48:54.239-07:00Re: Ask SWC why?
I know that a number of people h...Re: Ask SWC why?<br /><br />I know that a number of people have contacted the SWC to ask why but the SWC has declined to comment. I suspect there will be a presentation at the event itself which will highlight exactly what Tom Cruise has done.<br /><br />But here is some information about this. Tom Cruise's PR people have been working very hard for almost two years, attempting to rehabilitate Cruise's image. The very first and most important action was to get Tom to <i>shut up</i> about Scientology. Second was to have him assiduously avoid answering any questions about Scientology.<br /><br />The third action was to implant a sense of humor into Tom -- so he could appear self-depreciating when appropriate.<br /><br />I suspect the fourth action was to donate much money to "worthy causes" that were <i>not</i> related to Scientology. I'm sure the Simon Weisenthal Center was a happy recipient of some of this fourth activity.<br /><br />And <i>that</i> is, undoubtedly, why they are honoring Tom Cruise.<br /><br />To tell you the truth, I'm happy to applaud the new version of Tom Cruise who is disassociating himself from Scientology. I encourage him to disassociate himself even further.<br /><br />Re: Is Scientology a religion?<br /><br />On this point, I think we should all agree with the Church of Scientology which <a href="http://askthescientologist.blogspot.com/2008/12/scientology-why-religion.html" rel="nofollow">vehemently <i>denies</i> that it is a religion</a> in most countries of the world.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-7747468233582020372011-04-16T13:27:24.379-07:002011-04-16T13:27:24.379-07:00Great blog, Just Bill. Please keep it up. Too man...Great blog, Just Bill. Please keep it up. Too many people in and out of $cientology do not see the light/truth. You've got it figured out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-5845324368329433882011-04-16T13:04:35.127-07:002011-04-16T13:04:35.127-07:00Is it possible to ask the SWC why it chose this pe...Is it possible to ask the SWC why it chose this person? If there's something he's done in that line, I'd like to give Cruise credit instead of calling him an idiot all the time.<br /> <br />BTW, Bill, could you clarify (again) why CoS is NOT A RELlGION? It's a cheap, deliberate mockery of the same; and certainly an insult to the greatness of Judaism (and no, I am not Jewish.)<br /><br />SheepherderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-89341158186047650732011-04-16T10:48:18.851-07:002011-04-16T10:48:18.851-07:00It must be emphasized that the Simon Weisenthal Ce...It must be emphasized that the Simon Weisenthal Center is <i>not</i> "honoring Scientology". The Church of Scientology will certainly <i>try</i> to spin it that way, but that would be one of their usual <i>massive</i> lies.<br /><br />Let us not perpetuate that lie ourselves.<br /><br />They are honoring Tom Cruise, <i>not</i> Scientology. I am sure they would <i>never</i> "honor Scientology".Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-52159933095737644092011-04-16T07:15:30.340-07:002011-04-16T07:15:30.340-07:00Re: Protest
Anyone protesting should understand t...Re: Protest<br /><br />Anyone protesting should understand that the protest will be framed against the message of tolerance from the SWC.<br /><br />It may be that the <i>only</i> way to play it is to make the message about the Church of Scientology's blatant <b>in</b>tolerance.<br /><br />Even so, it's a risky protest, in my opinion.Just Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700571144527474381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5588150109003847843.post-41838882900136319902011-04-16T06:01:52.298-07:002011-04-16T06:01:52.298-07:00In terms of protest, I think the message has to be...In terms of protest, I think the message has to be very targeted. Cruise has certainly promoted their anti-psychiatry museum, which claims that psychiatrists were responsible for the shoah.<br /><br />That's a pretty direct link between Cruise and a view on the shoah that the SWC is likely to find pretty abhorrent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com